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Kype 
06/21/10

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Hi all

As probably all of you, I'm so happy that finally i got here. I didn't even pray for that, so it's quite suspicious, that i managed to get here (unfortunately through many sites with histories of apostates). I noticed, that most of you say about feelings for the beginning, so I won't be different .

Maybe I'm not so struggled with my sexuality problem. Just accepted it and living with it quite well, making what i can not to concentrate on it. However it will be a great pleasure to talk with you, exchange impressions, thoughts etc. I won't be writing about difficulties we are going through, because probably anyone hasn't forgotten yet. There were harsh times, but now nothing could stop my gladness to be here.

I hope, that we all being cooperative will endure with our "little" problem till the New World.

Kype


R. 
06/20/10

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Thanks, Glenn. Very encouraging thoughts - especially the last paragraph.

And welcome to the site.

R


Gl. 
06/15/10

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Dear Brothers and Sisters

What a blessing to stumble across a mature site for those of us challenged by same sex attraction.  Not quite sure how or why I got here.  But, happy all the same.

As others have mentioned, it's so refreshing to realise that we are not alone in our challenge.  We suffer in similar ways with feelings of shame, confusion, depression, fear and guilt for being wired differently.

Regarding those around us, it's not possible for us to change their behavior (as bad as that behavior might be).  It's a fact that there's an element of the "truth" that sets us free that also becomes an excuse for
some in the congregation for very poor behavior.  We can learn to not behave like these ones when it comes to our reaction to others struggling with their own challenges.

We can certainly rely on the fact that our heavenly Father is merciful and understanding remembering that "we are dust".  He has chosen the anointed; many of whom have suffered before us for the same reason.  Will they not rule with justice and empathy?

Finally, however bad you feel your life is today, remember that you have endured until this day.  In itself it is a testament to your determination to do the right thing and loyally serve Jehovah.  A set back is only a temporary regression; you get a choice to set things straight again.  Jehovah sure wants to bless your efforts to do so.

Christian love
Glenn


B. 
05/21/10

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J 
05/20/10

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I think we often focus too much on the downsides of being gay men and women when there are upsides, even shall we say perks. A while back I did some extensive research into the subject. I wanted to share one item that came out of that research.

 

The number one complaint I read on this board, is that people are lonely and wonder how they can go on being a gay witness. In researching the issue among gay JW’s I found a very interesting trend. The most adjusted individuals where those that redefined what family was to them.

 

I selected individuals many decades my senior who had remained faithful to our faith and who had reconciled their homosexual feelings early on (developing a gay age scale) to see how they had faired through the majority of their lives. What I found is they didn’t look at family the way heterosexual people do, since the concept of getting married and having kids was not an option they gave much weight to. They developed deep connections with individuals through their life that in essence became their extended family. This modern family structure spanned the globe, giving ample opportunity to travel. While very few focused on this aspect, it became apparent it played a significant role in their overall adjustment. Most were well read on many cultures and interacted with JW’s in almost every cultural setting. As a result, they knew how the issue is handled both for the best and worst. This knowledge and experience allowed them to weather the passing storms that often present themselves to the gay JW. Interestingly, a majority had congregation shopped at one point in their life to find that congregation they fit into best.

 

I asked a series of rating questions regarding support sources that helped them on their path. Almost everyone rated personal study and personal experience high. Congregational support rated low, however the majority of participants were not “out” and the survey only centered on support for being a gay JW. (That would be an interesting study focus in the future with people that did come out.)

 

Above all these individuals report an overall sense of happiness. There was no discernable question regarding their continuing in Jehovah’s service as a single celibate gay person. Finally, there was no anger or anguish regarding their unmarried status.

 

I could share a lot more, and only summarized this aspect of the study. But I wanted to share it as it’s knowledge I have used through my trek through this life.


Phil 
05/06/10

What is your email address Phil@witnesses.plus.com

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JollyWaiver, thank you for signing my Guestbook (18th April)

I found your post very moving. I am so sorry to think of you being bullied at school, a truly horrible thing, which schools sometimes fail to address, and which can make a child's life so miserable.

It's a pity that it seems not to have gone so well when you initially confided that your sex drive is oriented toward your own sex. Sadly, sometimes there are mistaken attitudes even among some with responsibility in the Christian Congregation.  I do think things will continue to improve in this matter, however.  And happly I know of more positive experiences, on balance, than negative ones.

But how sad and terrible that there was a point when you contemplated suicide.

It is really good that you are associating again with the congregation in the area where you now live. I hope that you will get a lot of help there, and I am sure that you have much to offer to your congregation. I hope that this site may also be a source of encouragement to you.

Chin up, and best foot forward!

Kindest regards,

Phil.


cj 
05/06/10

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Thanks Doug for the clarification.

Take care


Doug 
05/06/10

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CJ

First I'm sorry I cited the wrong scripture at the end - should have been 1 Cor 1:13, not 1:12. Second I was referring to the isolation that comes from not talking to anyone about what is burdening our hearts. We can always be around many people and still protect ourselves in excess.

You are right, the cultural environment can create reasons for caution in expressing the reasons for our loneliness, even so, in my case I was too protective, I didn't get the help I needed and hurt myself severely. I'm currently trying to find a balance between sharing and over-sharing. But from my experience, not having open communication with those that could and should be providing 'apples of gold', is too lonely for words and would leave me in a constant state of stress.

I want all of us to succeed, as you have been, and for all of us to firmly hold onto the relative peace and joy that we can while we await the new system.

With warm regards,
Doug



CJ 
05/05/10

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Hello again,
Thanks for your kind comments after my "rant". @L - your "one day at a time" advice is very welcome. Although that is what has kept me going all these years, it doesn't hurt to be reminded of it and even though I've quoted Heb 6:10 many times to those in distress, I've never applied it to myself. - Thank you.

@J - I'm not 25, I've been baptised 25+years - thank you for trying to help.  I don't discount what you say, but having read more psychology books than I care to imagine, and read every little piece of society's literature on homosexuality I have come to the conclusion that  Groupthink is just a fancy term for peer-pressure, and as you probably know, we are trained to resist peer-pressure as Jehovah's people.

Far too many brothers find it easier to believe that homosexual feelings are a choice, not a fact of life, and they seem to believe that if they convince their children of this, it will never happen to them. I could go on about groupthink methodology and it is clearly something that you find useful and interesting - I do understand what you're getting at but all the theories in the world don't alter real life experiences.
 
I should explain that whilst I have stated that I don't currently know anyone in my situation, I have, over the years, come across brothers who have decided to seek help, only to be treated in the manner I have described previously. They have sadly chosen the easy way - to live an immoral life - due to being unable to change the "Groupthink" of the congregation. No matter how hard they tried, they were treated like lepers. 

Although "men who lie with men" is listed alongside all other forms of immorality, in the eyes of many in the congregation (not just my congregation) it is far more abhorrent than any other sin. It is the only situation that I know of where just having same-sex feelings makes you a sinner in their eyes, whether or not you act on those feelings.

Some years ago I had a conversation with a brother who is now an elder about the fact that a female friend of mine in a nearby congregation was studying with a gay man.  He asked me if the congregation had been informed "what he was" before he attended his first meeting. Upon asking why, he said that he believed that "they" should be made to sit on the back row so that they don't corrupt the congregation.  I was dumbfounded - the fact that within the same congregation 2 young sisters had got pregnant in the space of 6 months by "hetero" boys who were still attending and after the necessary reproof were being helped, seemed to pass him by - such is the prejudice.  They seem to believe that we choose the way we feel - believe me, if  I could have physically ripped these feelings out of me, I would have done so and had a much happier life - who would wish this on their worst enemy?

@Doug - thank you also for your comments. I'm not quite sure what you mean by quoting Prov 18 - If you're suggesting that I'm isolating myself, that couldn't be further from the truth. I spend a lot of time in the company of brothers and sisters, both at the KH and socially.  I volunteer at the assemblies and conventions and am enrolled on the RBC.  I ask for shepherding calls when they are not forthcoming and am currently conducting a bible study.  I have come close to confiding in elders, but fell short of it.  Two of the elders that I got close to left the truth - one had an affair and broke up two families and the other decided that a PHD was more important to him. I apologise if this is sounding like a sit-com, but that's how laughable my life has been!

@bri - your comments touched me the most - thank you so much.  I have not stayed in the truth all these years to fall at the last post and I pray that Jehovah will help me to continue in his service. 

It doesn't alter the fact that life doesn't get any easier and I still wake up every day wishing that I hadn't - new system or no new system.

Thank you all for listening. 

Ok, rant over - just pouring all this out has helped.  I wish every one of you Jehovah's blessing as you struggle with your own emotions and feelings.- Phil@witnesses.plus.com thanks for allowing me the space to vent my feelings, it has helped a little.







J 
05/05/10

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Hi CJ,

I thought I would reply to this, being 28 I’m not that much older than you and went through some of the same thoughts. I think the groupthink syndrome can be rough to go through. Groupthink is a type of thought within a deeply cohesive in-group whose members try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. The end result is people sometimes get in a feedback loop just repeating ideas and opinions that they know agree with the group, however mean and harmful they may unwittingly be. What’s interesting is the consensus in the group can change and often does when presented with a case that breaks the first consensus. Congregations that have had or have  members who are attracted to their own sex have reached different conclusions about the issue than those that have not. Letting some close people know may not be such a bad thing. However, the decision to do that can only be made by you and at the right time. While this doesn’t change what you’re going though, it does help to understand why people do what they do. Knowledge is power; use it to your advantage.

Here is one idea, is it possible to change congregations?


Doug 
05/05/10

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CJ
(Proverbs 18:1) 18 One isolating himself will seek [his own] selfish longing; against all practical wisdom he will break forth.
 
I've been there, surrounded by a sea of brothers and sisters, and because I couldn't talk about this 'thorn' in my flesh. It festered and for a time produced bad fruitage.
 
Be assured that Jehovah knows all your breaking points and he always provides a way to find endurance - that is joy despite adversity. You'll find much in here that will allow you to realize the truth of 1 Cor 10:13. 


bri 
05/05/10

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Hello CJ
I feel like i could have written the comment you made.  We have very similar lives it seems.  I have been baptized since 1975 and my life's description is very much like you wrote.  I am very glad that you have discovered this group and hope you will feel free to join and make a few friends, it has worked wonders for me.
I'm not saying that everything is great now, but it seems to have alleviated the emotional pain and loneliness somewhat, just to know that others share the same feelings and we can help and care for one another even though we may be oceans apart in many cases. I hope that you will find the necessary support here to continue to endure this very unique struggle, that most in the congregation do not seem to understand or care to.
take care


L 
05/05/10

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CJ

You sound very down at this time.  For this reason my heart goes out to you.  You say you have been baptized for 25 years.  It is commendable that you have hung in there this long with your problems.  Surely you can hang on for one more day.  After all, that is all that is asked of us –

 

So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties. Sufficient for each day is its own badness.  Matthew 6:34

 

Jehovah will certainly give you the strength to go on for one more day, and sometimes things look a little brighter the next.  If not, Jehovah will also give you the strength for THE NEXT day.  But you’ll have to get through this one before you can make it through that one. 

 

You have a whole brotherhood in this site that understands your feelings, and probably many have felt the same way.  And I know in my heart that if the rest of the brotherhood knew a little more about this thorn, they would be in your corner rooting for you also.  It’s only out of ignorance that they are speaking at present.  Please hang in there another day.  Jehovah knows how you feel and he loves you dearly. 

 

For God is not unrighteous so as to forget YOUR work and the love YOU showed for his name…Hebrews 6:10


CJ 
05/01/10

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I don't know how much longer I can do this. 25yrs baptised, single, living alone, lonely, hating myself, hating my feelings, wanting to be "normal", not knowing anyone else like me in the truth. I can't talk to the local elders because I know exactly how they will react - oh yes, not to my face, but they will certainly keep their kids away from me in the mistaken belief that I'll be a predator. So many times I've been party to conversations with respected members of the congregation who really believe that one chooses to be gay - oops! I should have said a "raving homosexual" as one sister put it. I've come close to attempting suicide twice - the only thing that stopped me was the thought of the devastation it would cause my family - it seems I've lived my whole life for other people. All I want is to be close to someone who knows what it feels like, and cares. Believe me - it doesn't get any easier as the years pass. I'm sorry to sound so negative, but I'm in a bad place just now and can't seem to get out of it. Prov 15:13


J 
04/29/10

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I ran across some NARTH stuff today and couldn't help but think of this site! They are busy as always researching the issue and presenting their findings. So far they say kids raised in same sex households are more likely to be homosexual than those that are not. I had to laugh a bit because most likely its that one piece is true (they only claim 2% of the population will end up homosexual while the figure is closer to 20% for kids raised in same sex homes). But their view of masculinity is still staunchly of American origins and thus they seem to have a slanted view.

Have you come across anything interesting on this subject Phil?


Doug 
04/23/10

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Wow.

Wish I found this place 10 years ago or longer. Might have saved me a lot of heartache. I'm only semi-known for having a sex drive that operates toward my own sex, but had less defenses as loyalty to Jehovah was robbed from me at the beginning of my learning the Truth when I was 6 or 7. Came to falsely believe that, try as I might, I could never identify with personal integrity, and true loyalty. Spent most of my teens hiding from my memories of failure, and being too isolated in the one area of identity that hurt the most.
I don't want to go back into isolation. I don't want ever again fulfill:
(Proverbs 18:1) . . .One isolating himself will seek [his own] selfish longing; against all practical wisdom he will break forth.
 
 True I wasn't socially isolated, I was at one time a pioneer, and at another a ministerial servant. However, I was isolated by being too deep in the closet when it came to Jehovah's people. I want to find a balance between not flaunting my issues and not burying them in a social quagmire either. I hope this is one way I can approach this goal.


Rebecca 
04/20/10

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I am so grateful to have found this site, I no longer feel alone. I am 19 and I have just fully realized my attraction to my own sex since 3-4 years ago and have come to terms with it. I always knew I was attracted to my own sex but it was buried in me and I assumed it was something else, admiration or something, but surely not what I was afraid it really was. Now it is more intense and real than ever and I am forced to see it as true that  these tendencies are in me. I have not followed my desires to action because I never got a chance, but I know that with Jehovah's help if such a situation arises I will remain faithful. Right now it is only a mental battle and a struggle to not let such thoughts flourish and control me. I hope I can find peace here.


bri 
04/20/10

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Hi Jason and Jolly:
It always makes me happy when  faithful brothers in our situation find this group.  Is has helped me a lot and i hope it will you.
take care


B. 
04/19/10

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I love tantrums!

Jason, very cordial welcome! Good, that your olfactory senses in connection with the Common-Bond-Sites worked. After being around here for several years, I can say, that this site is a safe place to be.

Come in, find out!

Jolly Waiver sounds also good to me!

But I would be hesitating to name my autobiographical book "The last secret". Nobody would buy the second part anymore (it's OK though, if you are already 90 years old and it is the last part). - So far the first part of support for you...

Welcome to you too.

B.


Jason E 
04/19/10

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I'm glad I found this group - I think. I actually come here with more anger in me than hope. I poked around in the Common Bond site but it reeks of Satan's tactics... lure them away from Jehovah"s organization and then who cares what happens to them spiritually.
I have alot of questions and I think a tantrum or two.
Let's see how this plays out.
Jason E


JollyWaiver 
04/18/10

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Hello everyone...
I've just discoverd this absolutely fantastic website...

I was born, grew up and always "grazed" in the truth.
I was 8 years old when I first "came out" to my parents. My father struggled a lot to deal with the information. He was/is an elder, and the situation was very new for him as for me. My mom was the one who, well, it doesn't matter how I could feel, she loved me anyway. At that time I lived in a very small town, and at school I was many times victim of bullying. At the age of 12/13 I fell in love with my best friend, who, I think, realised something somehow, and suddenly distanced himself from me.

In the meantime, partly because of not wanting to disappoint my parents, I progressed in the congregation and got baptized in my mid-teens. Back in high school I met a guy, whom I had a flirtation with. At the age of 17 I left the school (taking a CO's advice) to be a pioneer. I was doing very well in the truth, focused on the ministry. But then, at the age of 18 I decided to speak about my feelings, which felt to me as if they were increasing day by day, to a "good elder". I wo'lt go into details here, but I am afraid that confiding my feelings proved to be a big mistake. Thenceforth I had problems with depression and feeling suicidal. I stopped going to the meetings etc. I wanted to be out of truth, but loved so much my parents that I never had courage to do so, as long as we both were under the same roof. SO, I decided to leave home. I'm now back in the Christian congregation (somewhere in the world), after a little pause of a couple of years, struggling to well deal with my feelings and handle them.   
I'm also writing an autobiographical book titled "The Last Secret".

I always knew that I was not the only one...
Thank you very much for this magnificent support.
Have all a nice day...

Jolly Waiver

      


Tyler 
03/16/10

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RPD: is everything ok?


R P D 
03/13/10

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I just found this site. time's limited; I have a few moments left. Are there any other similar sites that aren't apostate?


Phil 
02/19/10

What is your email address Phil@witnesses.plus.com

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Good points, Beckysue.
It makes good sense to be aware of when we may be vulnerable. Many's the time, I am sure, when men, under some fresh adversity like a job loss, have gone on a splurge of drinking and/or acting out with prostitutes. Even though doing so for many means adultery. There is the familiar expression "drowning his sorrows" and men often attempt to do that in illicit sexual liaisons as well as in drink. Were it otherwise, I guess there would be no 'call-girls' anywhere.
Holidays can also be times when the guard is down. I remember a young man on a course I attended some years ago, talking about his vacation in the sun, and looking for girls to hook up with and act out with, saying "You know how you are when you're on holiday".
Tonight's news reports have just featured a popular golf champion making an apology for what the news report called "a string of extra-marital affairs".
Clearly that young man would have done better to address his difficulties, to recognise when his illicit desires might be particularly strong, and to find ways to divert and resist them.
So it's good to recognise times when our guard may be down. Many a marriage has been broken because either the husband or the wife didn't.
It is indeed also very important to cultivate good solid friendships in the Christian congregation, with individuals who are sensible and mature in outlook.


BeckySue 
02/19/10

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Alex,   I hope you continue to find encouragement at this website that Phil works so hard to keep up.   As for your acting out sexually to stave off suicidal feelings...this is fairly common.  I know another brother who used to do the same thing when he had anxiety attacks.  And he hated that he did that.  Now that he understands that the sexual acts were to lift himself emotionally, he is able to get through those cravings.   Understanding himself better helps him to keep control.  Another thing that helps is having a good mentoring friendship with older brothers who accept you and respect you for who you are.  Brothers who do not shame you nor lecture you.  You already know the rules.  You already know what's right. Now you need validation and friendship from others.  This place can provide some of that if it is not forthcoming from the ideal place, the congregation.  Best wishes.
BeckySue


Don Jose 
02/16/10

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Hello everyone!

I found this web page 5 minutes ago, and i have to say im very...Well...Words cant describe how happy and relieved I feel inside!

I started my study of the Bible when I was 11 years old, and continued doing so until I was 15 years.  I always knew that I was gay, and put all those feelings in action. beeing free I thought. What an error!
 
Now, at the age of 19 Years I finally came back to the congregation! What a happiness I felt/feel! Being with Jehovah's people, serving the one and only true God is worth more then living your life outside the Truth! I have been struggling with the homosexual feelings lately, so I was really glad i found this site that lets me express myself.! Thank you so much, and may Jehovah be with you all!


Rod 
02/11/10

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Hi all,      
My name's Rod, i'm new in this site, and i have to tell i'm very glad to have found it, i've seen other sites before but...most of them have disfellowshiped person and here not, i just wanna say to all brothers and sisters, to keep strong Jehovah love all of us, and wants us to be faithfull to Him. I love you all. hugss,
ur bro Rod.


R 
01/15/10

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Hello,

Phil thx for your supporting webpage.

It is about 5 years ago since I came first across your webpage.

At that time I had to face my homosexuall feelings for the first time.

5 Years later I have fully accepted who I am, still struggling sometimes, but finding the rest in knowing that I am not the only one who is struggling with this feelings.

Keep up doing the good work.

- R-


Paris Alex 
01/13/10

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Hi ALEX

It's such a comfort whenever we feel understood.
In french you can be "compris", in other words (second meaning) "included" or "surrounded" ; in english you can be "supported" as we stand under you, and let you be under-stood.
Being included in a supporting group, isn't it what we need ?
Didn't you find both here ?
One langage is enough, Bri also speaks french... By the way : hi Bri ! nice to see we are still here, let's make it last longer...
cheers 


ALEX 
01/11/10

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Merci Paris Alex! Thank you bri!
J'ai lu et beaucoup apprécié vos commentaires. Ils m'ont fait du bien.
I've read and greatly appreciated your comments. They did so much good to me.


bri 
01/11/10

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Hi Alex:
I must say that reading your comment struck a sensitive cord with me, as i do feel similarly regarding the sadness or loneliness that you mention. I know  deep down inside i would not be able to fill that need in straying outside of the confines of the congregation. Your searching to fill that need on the outside is a lesson for me as it is a constant fight against my heart's desires to find that special someone on the outside that  "UNDERSTANDS". 
 A good friend of mine with whom i lived for several years (not knowing he was gay at the time) did leave the truth and "seems" to have found , after much trial and error , someone who fills that "hole"  in his life but I truly think that he knows he has left something very precious to do so , even though he hasn't said so. 
So i guess we all have our torture stakes to bare  whatever our situation,  the quick fix will only be in the new system.
In the meantime it is nice to know that you will join us in this struggle to endure til then. 



Paris Alex 
01/10/10

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Alex,

Le récit de ta vie jusqu'à ce jour est touchant, et tu es à féliciter pour avoir confessé tes fautes passées aux anciens de ta congrégation. Lorsqu'on essaie de résoudre seuls ses erreurs passées, on se prive de l'aide que Jehovah a fournie pour cela. Lorsqu'on confesse ses fautes, et les quitte, Jehovah nous fait miséricorde. Prov. 28:13

Nous vivons une situation difficile. Notre liberté de choix est moindre que celle de la plupart de nos compagnons chrétiens. Ces limites que nous imposent la vérité, et qui nous font souffrir, nous semblent injustes, parfois même peu raisonnables. En raison de ce conflit intérieur, peut être avons-nous pensé, à un moment de notre vie, que vivre librement selon nos sentiments et nos désirs nous procurerait le bonheur le plus grand que l'on puisse connaître dans cette vie. Ce faisant, nous avons fait de Jehovah un menteur et de Satan notre maître à penser.

Renoncer au péché implique une souffrance, mais c'est aussi une libération. Il faut du courage et de la volonté. Seul Jehovah et le modèle laissé par Christ peuvent nous insuffler cette force.

Les anciens de ta congrégation vont te rappeler toutes ces choses, et d'autres encore. Il faudra les accepter, même s'ils ne comprennent pas tout et bien sûr ne peuvent ressentir tout ce que tu ressens. C'est le moyen que Jehovah utilise pour nous aider à marcher dans la vérité, il n'y a pas d'autres moyens, et encore moins d'autre vérité. L'amour vrai ne se trouve pas dans la "communauté gay", comme ton témoignage le souligne.

Nous espérons que les choses vont bien se passer, et que tu trouveras la volonté et la force de renoncer au mode de vie passé, pour vivre dans la vérité avec une conscience nette. L'expérience, même douloureuse, a du bon, lorsqu'elle nous conduit à la repentance et à la sagesse, et la paix et la sérénité ne se trouvent parfois qu'après un long et pénible chemin. Mais c'est le but qui compte, et il faut avancer.

Nous souhaitons avoir bientôt de bonnes nouvelles de ta part et t'encourageons à persévérer dans cette lutte, continuant à prier avec toi et pour toi, comme pour nos autres compagnons dans l'épreuve.

a bientôt


Alex 
01/10/10

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Hi there! I'll introduce myself for a start:

 

My name is Alex. As most of you have already expressed it very well, I'm truly glad I've bumped into this site rightly at a turning point in my life. As a matter of fact, yesterday I managed to confess my sins to the elders of my congregation and now I'm waiting to get their help.

 

Some years ago, after moving to another country where I did not know anybody and, to make matters worse, to a very small foreign language congregation where I could make no friends at all with the brothers and sisters, I ended up utterly despondent and thought I just could not carry on being on my own all the time and feeling so miserable all day long. So, after getting two unsuccessful pastoral visits from my elders, I started for the very first time acting on my gay feelings.

 

I think it was a means to try to overcome my loneliness feelings, even if only temporarily. At first, I just wanted to catch up on the sexual experiences I had not had yet; then I felt the need to try and look for something more than merely sex, if it could be found at all. Anyway, my search has been in vain to this day, and it has been compounded by my frequent changes of places and congregations because of my job.

 

Every time I moved to a different place, I was determined to turn a new leaf and to quit having gay sexual experiences, but to no avail. My feelings of loneliness just had the upper hand every time, even more so as I never found true friends within the congregation (and reasonably so, as I only stayed there for a handful of months).

 

I felt as if there was no way out of my pitiful state, being caught up in some sort of catch-22 situation: on one hand I could not have a full share in congregational activities because of the things I had been doing, and on the other my deep-ingrained sense of isolation forced me to seek companionship through gay sexual encounters. As you may well imagine, that worsened my depressive state and even led me to suicidal thoughts from time to time.

 

It was as if my sexual encounters helped stave off my suicidal thoughts in a way: I thought, “after all, better to go on sinning than to commit suicide”. Needless to say, I’ve never found true love and/or a lasting boyfriend in the gay community. Even when it looked like I had come across a guy I got on fairly well with, the relationship came to a halt very shortly, as it clashed with my deeply rooted Christian education I could not just get rid of overnight. So I felt I had to make a choice somehow: either being lonely within the congregation but holding a clear conscience, or being desperately lonely outside the congregation and with no one to hang on to.

 

As most of you, I’d rather choose the first option. However, I hope that joining this site will make my present situation slightly more bearable for me. I would like to thank all those who have read this message of mine and who will write to me. Your comments will be much appreciated. You can write to me in English, French, Spanish, Italian and German. So no excuse for not writing to me! J

Cheers,

Alex

 


af 
01/07/10

Comments:
hi all, my name is a****, its great to see we can all discuss things of a personal matter and get some help and insight and strength from what others go through and our main aim is to bring no reproach on jehovah
           brotherly love
             a****


R. 
12/16/09

Comments:



Quote:
For my part, as someone who can easily take offence, I always try to remember Ecclesiastes 7:9, "The taking of offence is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones".


Brother Phil, it is commendable you recognize that weakness and acknowledge that.

In many ways you remind me of what we read of Brother Rutherford - a rough, brusque exterior but a warm, loving interior!

 - R.

 



J 
12/03/09

Comments:

Hi Phil,

Unwittingly of course! Maybe that was a bit harsh. I think it’s a very relevant topic though.

In Noel’s case, you can already see his parents doing all the wrong things. If a parent ever asked me what they should do in this situation I would say, “What is your gut feeling telling you to do? Don’t do it!” This is an in-depth topic with many sides, so I won’t go into it here. Perhaps a For Parents section for this site is in order someday?


Phil 
12/02/09

What is your email address Phil@witnesses.plus.com

Comments:
J, very nice to hear from you.

I hope you do not feel that your own parents are a tool of Satan?

Any friends or family may make thoughtless or discouraging remarks, through human frailty, on any topic at any time. As we may do ourselves.  We do have some scope as to how we personally respond - if we lie back and LET such things discourage us, then that discouragement can be a tool of Satan.

For my part, as someone who can easily take offence, I always try to remember Ecclesiastes 7:9, "The taking of offence is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones".



J 
12/02/09

Comments:

Hi Noel,

I saw your post and wanted to see if you had an update? It’s interesting how Satan will use every possible tool  to get us. That only happens if he can wear you down enough, and sadly Satan's first line of attack for young SSA JW’s can sometimes be parents or the congregation. Our best counter measure is a strong network of friends.  Hopefully you found that and still hanging in there.


SB 
11/23/09

Comments:
Hi you all.

Welcome to this site. I hope you´ll find what I have... true friends who understands you I have noticed something... that so many of you found this site after searching for it for the very last time. It was how I found it too. Gave it one last shoot, after telling Jehovah that it was now or never, literally. It is truly a blessing from Jehovah - and the site is maintained very well, with both humor and seriousness... not at least to the bible teaching. I have been a member for 5 month now, and of course I´m still gay, but the struggle has become a little easier to carry. Thank you friends.



Voni 
11/17/09

Comments:

Hi, I'm hoping to receive some insight from faithful brothers and sisters who stuggle with SSA. Maybe I can eventually help my now adult son who was raised in the Truth, but who has since left it, thinking he was alone in his struggle with SSA.


Barry 
11/03/09

Comments:
Hi All
Until finding this site, I have always felt  very alone in my struggle.  Like us all I have my story, and I've made incredible sacrifices to stay loyal to Jehovah.  He knows what I have done and the energy it takes each day to just get through this, but after reading your comments I realise many of you know as well, and my heart goes out to you all.  Don't give up.
B.


MJ 
10/31/09

Comments:
I was having a particularly rough period in dealing with things and while looking online trying to find any sort of help I found a lot of apostate sites and I started to feel upset in many ways. Angry at the world, sad at the way people twist others attempts to help, and worried about myself because I thought this must be the only road people with my struggles go down. This feeling was emphasized by the fact that I knew a brother who, after people started saying that there must be something wrong with him because he wasn't married yet, caved under the pressure and left to be with a man. I know that being able to discuss your feelings with people can sometimes help ease the struggle, but with a problem like this people just can't understand unless they have been there. I was angry after seeing all those other sites, but decided to try to find what I was looking for one last time and I finally found this site! Just knowing that others are trying to stay faithful despite the circumstances is a huge relief to me.


Gaz 
10/20/09

Comments:
Hi
not sure what to say , just that I'm hoping to get some strengh from the site and the rest of ya thats attached to it...
I'm not handling things at the moment and feel a little messed up by it all.
Gaz


Tyler 
10/07/09

Comments:
Noel,
   I know how you feel, I think this site is a blessing from Jehovah, tonight, i have been searching for a site, at the end of my rope, I believe Jehovah directed me to this site, I would LOVE to get a chance to meet all the brothers and sisters who are struggling with this as well. everytime I did a web search, all I found were apostate sites which prove harmful to everyone's spirituality, I am thanking Jehovah I found this site. I know what it's like to feel as if some friends in your congregation may be judgemental, I myself had friends judging me before I even knew i was gay, this caused my faith to become shaken but Jehovah provided an elder in a different congregation who is behind me in this fight 1000% all I can say is when you're at your wits end, Jehovah provides for us all. Agape


tom sheepandgoats 
10/04/09

Comments:
Phil: 

Thanks for commenting on my post 'Advise and Consent and Sexual Orientation.' It's a skillfully written, respectful comment which advances its point well.



SB 
10/03/09

Comments:
Noel;

     Welcome to the site. You should know that you have found a place where it´s possible to find encouragement as a gay witness. Those I have become friends with from this site are in good standard in the congregation. We all face difficulties with this taboo, some more than others, which is a reason of culture, not a reason of bible teaching. As Olivers says, the acts are condemned, not those persons who have these feelings and wants to stay faithful. The limited amount of literature of this topic will show you that. All humans have the need for comfort and relationship with someone who understands you, and I´m sure you´ll find that here.

     Again, welcome. Hope to talk to you inside this forum.

Take care. SB.


L 
09/28/09

Comments:

Noel,

First of all I want to say how glad I am that you have found this site.  It is encouraging to ALL who come here!  Then I want to tell you that your parents love you more than you will ever be able to imagine.  They want the very very best for you. 

 

Unfortunately, there hasn’t been a lot of information about this problem, and the few articles that are out there only seem to jump out when someone deals with this issue, whether on a first-hand basis (as you yourself are), or if there is a son, daughter or friend that deals with this.  Then the articles are so very clear. 

 

Right now your Mom and Dad are probably very scared of losing you to the world.  Do your best to show them how much you love Jehovah, and in time they will support you through this.  I speak as a Mom. 

 

The last thing I want to remind you is what Oliver has already told you.  Jehovah loves you.  He knows what your potential is as a perfect person, and that is so very valuable to him.   You can give an answer to Satan that, “Yes, I will serve Jehovah, despite the problems that you throw my way.  He loves me and will sustain me!”


Oliver 
09/26/09

Comments:
Hello Noel,

first of all: welcome! I am sure, you found a good place for mutual encouragement.

Yes, like our literature stated in different cases, we can serve our God Jehovah as valuable persons despite our sexual orientation. According our bible understanding there is a difference between having feelings for the own gender and acting on them. So to say, I would love to encourage your parents to concentrate in their personal study on this subject. In the literature page of this site you can find good articles to show them. And in ministry we are encouraged to use the Reasoning-book. If they read under the point "Homosexuality" they will get a nice lesson to learn. Maybe you can help them to get a balanced view on this subject.

Not all and everywhere our brothers react like this. There are differences. But to change congregations just because of this reason, would mean, to take a possibility to learn away - for both sides.

Welcome again!


Noel 
09/25/09

Comments:

Im so grateful for running into this site. You dont know how much stronger I feel knowing there are so many other Brothers and Sisters going through the same struggle as myself. Sadly in my Kingdom Hall there isnt much support there. I think its because they have never experienced what it is like to associate with Gay witnesses before.
So I made the mastake of talking to my Mother and Father who felt compelled to talk to the Elders in the Hall. I havent approched them yet but I know for a fact my parents have. None of the other Brothers like to associate with me in the Kingdom Hall, its like they're Homophobic and I feel like Im being judged. They hate to even make eye contact and I can read there rejectful body language, its like they dont want to talk to me, but an occasional hi is alright for them. I want to get Baptised this comming Assembly but I dont want to be alone. Is it wrong to not like the Kingdom Hall I attend. Futhermore my parents arn't understanding. They tell me things like I should regret my feelings. And its unnatural. Then they showed me this scripture recently which totaly changed my whole perception of them. Leviticus 20:13 ??????? Does God really hate gay people that much? I know we are forgivin of our sins through Jesus, but they totally condemned me. IDK anymore, Im just miserable and I love Jehovah and I got so much love and respect for the Truth. I just need a little support thats it.


Phil 
09/21/09

Comments:
Dear Percy,

Thank you for taking the time to sign the Guestbook.

I am very sorry to learn that you have evidently suffered from serious clinical depression and have at times felt suicidal. Association with our brothers and sisters in the Christian Congregation cannot provide any instant medical solution to major clinical depression, of course, but it can be a means of support to help us through it.

There are things that it's good to feel proud about.  We can be proud to praise the name of our God.

But it is good, also, to remember the counsel of the apostle Paul to the Romans, that we should not think more of ourselves than is necessary. (Romans 12:3)

Kind regards,

Phil.




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